The quest for material for All Woke Up led us to this interview with anti-woke leftists Amber A’Lee Frost and Anna Khachiyan. The pair discuss populism, feminism, racism and even Antifa from a refreshingly realistic point of view. In fact, if their common sense approach were to catch on, we might start running out of material for this section. Like that would ever happen.
Following are a few of our favorite excerpts:
The left is in crisis across the West. It is out of power in most countries and out of touch with its historical working-class base.
Class politics has given way to identity politics. And noble causes like anti-racism, anti-sexism and anti-discrimination have congealed into a stifling morass of political correctness and competitive victimhood.
The problem with liberals, that ‘they can’t differentiate between their political critiques of Trump and their aesthetic critiques of him… It is not so much Trump’s policies that anger the liberals, but his brashness, his demeanour.
Three years on from the 2016 presidential election, Democrats are still largely in denial or in despair about Trump’s victory. The now-discredited Russia-collusion narrative provided an excuse to avoid any soul-searching.
‘The narrative isn’t itself so interesting,’ but it shows ‘the willful failure of the Democratic Party,’ Frost says. ‘Again and again, they fall on their face. There’s some kind of Freudian, masochistic thing they have where they get off on publicly humiliating themselves.’
We move from jealousy to hate, and to the alleged epidemic of racism or even fascism often talked up by the left. Hate speech, we’re told, must be contained.
Khachiyan takes a refreshingly liberal line:‘You should be able to hate and hatred should be protected, as long as it doesn’t spill over into physical violence.’
‘There’s this idea that we live in a white supremacist country when we fundamentally don’t’, says Khachiyan.
‘Antifa have manufactured a threat to have some semblance of an identity’, she says. ‘All these people who say they are anti-fascist don’t know what it means to be persecuted.’